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claret on my shirt 8:33 Mon Jul 11
Train drivers on £60k to go on strike

How the fuck can they strike when they earn that money, every one of them needs a fucking slap

Mike Oxsaw 4:59 Wed Jul 13
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You can probably trace this all back through Thatcher to Beeching and on to the end of WW2.

No government since nationalisation has been prepared to invest (enough/anything) in the railways to get them into a shape where such action would be futile and have no impact on their operations - DLR, for instance, has no on-board drivers at all, so it is technically do-able.

That active lack of investment is coming back to bite them (and as a result, us) big-time on the arse from many directions and there's only so much road left down which to kick that particular can.

Side of Ham 4:44 Wed Jul 13
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You have to weight up how important that job role is within the business and whether that business makes a vast profit from the role being filled?

Council Scum 4:32 Wed Jul 13
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LAF 9:10 Tue Jul 12
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Unions did do a lot of good many years ago, but you can't keep going back to what they did many years ago.....

Employment law has taken over the need for any union.

Ask people working at BA what Unions did for them during the pandemic? They were fucking useless and completely mishandled it.

Unions are trying to force the general public, that workers who earn a damn sight more than them, are some how hard done by and can't afford to live, it simply doesn't wash anymore.

Strikes are political moves, nothing more, nothing less and no one gives a fuck what unions got us 50 years ago.

Swiss. 12:45 Wed Jul 13
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LAF 10:06 Tue Jul 12

No what we are against is going on strike when you're on 60K a year, a decent wage, and when the strike action is affecting the poor.

New Jersey 12:14 Wed Jul 13
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The forces of supply and demand will always have a bearing on wage settlements. From what I understand teachers entering the profession are going to get a substantial pay rise and that's basically because there is a vast shortage and 50% of newly qualified teachers leave after 5 years. There isn't a shortage of train drivers so economic theory tells us they should get very little in terms of pay rises.

I'm also not a big lover of % pay rises as that creates more inequality. So if Tesco gives everyone a grand then that should apply to the chief executive as well.

Leavemyarcelona 4:02 Wed Jul 13
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Alwsysaniron

Spot on

yngwies Cat 1:24 Wed Jul 13
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LAF 1:06 Tue Jul 12 👍

dealcanvey 12:29 Wed Jul 13
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‘The government will then call a crisis election, Labour will probably scrape in on the back of peoples short memories and wealth/jobs‘

Labour would scrape in because peoples memories are long enough to remember how tragic this current Tory government has been.

Mike Oxsaw 10:34 Tue Jul 12
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I know it will never happen, but if it did, without "special provisions" for certain sectors of society, the government would be forced to actually manage the economy professionally in order to maximise it's tax take.

LAF 10:29 Tue Jul 12
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Nice idea Mike. I’d go for that but - as you probably know - would never happen. Doesn’t fit in with the dastardly scheme of divide and rule and scrapping amongst ourselves.

Mike Oxsaw 10:18 Tue Jul 12
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What is needed - really - is another form of general strike that aims to raise everybody's income by the rate of inflation, not just that of a volatile subset of society.

The government could do this by dropping personal taxes by whatever the rate of inflation is announced by their own departments/agencies, but at the time that rate is announced - a bit like raising the cost of rail travel but without the excitement of waiting for that rise to kick in.

LAF 10:06 Tue Jul 12
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So it’s clear from some posts here that strike action - by teachers, train drivers, postal workers, or whoever - is wrong and unjust, right? Is that what you’re saying?

penners28 9:46 Tue Jul 12
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Also, deep down, strikes are for the same reason..

Money money money

penners28 9:45 Tue Jul 12
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Hermit, striking is striking whatever the reason may be. Why is one acceptable and one not? Teacher strikes affected the general public, cost us money. Same as the train strikes

LAF 9:10 Tue Jul 12
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Alwaysaniron: sorry mate, but you’re talking nonsense. Go and red up on some history. It was the unions that fought and won the 5 day week, tea and lunch breaks, statutory holidays, health and safety at work, workload agreements……They weren’t handed down as a gracious gift, it was our fought for by our predecessors who sacrificed pay with past industrial action to get the rights we enjoy today. Notice how erosion is setting in once again and returning us to the dark Pre-war days: zero hour contracts, excessive working hours, weekend and unsocial hours pay disappearing….all due to people turning their backs on working representation through unions.
Oh…and by the way….they are part of the democratic fabric of our society. People like you worry me.

Mike Oxsaw 7:37 Tue Jul 12
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If the train drivers get a single mote more than the employers are offering then you just know strikes will rip across the country as other unions see their chance to not get "left behind".

The government will then call a crisis election, Labour will probably scrape in on the back of peoples short memories and wealth/jobs will rapidly depart the country leaving acute shortages everywhere.

No cunt will lend the country the money it needs at sensible rates leaving the only alternative as rejoining the EU on their terms, begging bowl in hand.

They, however, having secured access to the wealth of the Ukraine may not want another drain on it's resources and will dry ream the government's arse for the funds it has available.

Alwaysaniron 7:14 Tue Jul 12
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The fucking unions are holding the nation to ransom. We’re all in the same boat you workshy cunts. Then; fucking postal workers, they’re all the same. Idle wankers.

ray winstone 7:00 Tue Jul 12
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'Train drivers don't do things for free', shocker!

Mad Dog 6:38 Tue Jul 12
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Penners
You remember wrong.

I don't think, and never have thought striking is a particularly effective way to show displeasure. As I mentioned the people you are protesting against rarely suffer rhe effects and that falls on the public.

They've seriously taken the piss out of teachers in the past 10 years and if we were called to action i personally favour a word to rule.

Hermit Road 6:25 Tue Jul 12
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“ Mad dog. But you supported the strikes, from what i remember?

So how can you now be against the rail strikes?”

A ridiculous question if you think about it.

Not all workers have the same conditions and not all strikes are for identical reasons.

Let me give you an example. If your little cherubs are taken away on a school residential trip you don’t pay a penny extra to the teachers to look after them for 24 hours a day for a whole week. You pay the hotel for them to stay in, the coach company to transport them there and whoever feeds them to provide them food. The people legally responsible for looking after them for the week get nothing. Not one penny extra for the 168 hours of work they did that week keeping them safe. They did it for free.

Point me to an example of train drivers doing something equivalent and you may have a point.

Mike Oxsaw 5:30 Tue Jul 12
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If these private Train Operating Companies can find the money to fund the drivers' demands then the government should instantly reduce the subsidy it gives these companies by exactly the same amount as they clearly don't need the cash to run the services they are contracted to provide.

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